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The Brooklyn Diocese DID NOT
“Investigate” the Bayside Apparitions

"The sacred grounds founded here by the Father shall be a sanctuary of peace and solace to many in the future. Upon these grounds will come forth curative waters. Upon these grounds will be found the evidence of the hand of the Father." - Our Lady of the Roses, March 18, 1973


How a Church investigation is conducted

     One of the principal sources of information in an investigation is, of course, the seer herself. From the book, The Graces of Interior Prayer: 

“The right course to adopt, when judging of revelations or visions, can be summed up in the three following steps which I am about to examine separately: 

      1)      To obtain detailed information regarding the person who thinks himself thus favored;
      And also as to the actual facts of the revelation;
      These data once obtained, to draw the conclusions that they admit of.” 
(Rev. Augustin Poulain, S.J., The Graces of Interior Prayer, Chapter XXIII: “Revelations: How to judge of them,” p. 350)  

So, the easiest and most accurate way to investigate would be to personally interview Veronica Lueken. Has this been done? 


No canonical investigation has ever been conducted

1)   Veronica was never interviewed by former Bishop Mugavero, or his successor, his Excellency Thomas V. Daily;

2)   Veronica never received a request by the Bishop of Brooklyn (or an appointed representative of the Bishop) for an interview, although Veronica in 1974 approached Bishop Mugavero herself by setting up an appointment with him, only to have her appointment inexplicably cancelled by Bishop Mugavero. On "THESE LAST DAYS" radio program on December, 1, 1991, Veronica's personal secretary, Mrs. Ann Ferguson, rebutted the Brooklyn Chancery's false claims that Veronica was unavailable for an interview:

Ann Ferguson - "... I wish to make a correction.  This past week, there was a program on channel 4 television about "Visions."  A small segment of the Bayside apparitions was shown.  On the program, Msgr. Garcia from the Chancery office made a false statement.  He said Veronica was a recluse, and not available for questioning.  This is not true!  I've been privileged to be Veronica's secretary since 1973. Now, it was in 1974, Veronica phoned Msgr. King, who was the chancellor of the Brooklyn and Queens Diocese, and requested him to arrange an appointment for Veronica to speak to Bishop Mugavero....
     "Now the meeting was arranged, and Veronica and her husband, Arthur, went to the Chancery office located on Greene Avenue in Brooklyn, which is about one hour ride from Bayside.  When they arrived there, on the appointed day, and appointed hour, they were greeted by Msgr. King, who informed them that Bishop Mugavero was unable to see them.  They spoke to Msgr. King for about 15 minutes.  He arranged for another time to meet the Bishop.  Veronica did not go the second time, but sent her husband Arthur, and a Bayside pilgrim by the name of Nick Sevalen, to see the Bishop.  When they arrived at the Chancery office, Msgr. King again informed them the Bishop was unable to see them.
     "Now you know we never heard about Msgr. Garcia in 1974.  It is only in the past few years that we were told that Msgr. Garcia is now at the Chancery office.  Now Veronica said, she would like to speak to the present Bishop of Brooklyn, Bishop Thomas Daily."

3)   In May 1975, Mrs. Ann Ferguson (Veronica’s personal secretary) asked Msgr. King, “Msgr. King, when is Veronica going to have a proper investigation?” He replied, “When Veronica takes her prayer group away from St. Robert Bellarmine’s church and transfers the group to the park, then Veronica will have a proper investigation.” (in his own words, admitting such a thorough investigation had not been made!)

4)   At 7:30 p.m. on November 7, 1984, Boston channel 5 aired a segment about the Bayside apparitions on the TV show, “The Chronicle.” During this program, Msgr. King admitted that he did not talk to Veronica until after the so-called “investigation.”

5)   Fr. Michael Burke, priest in the city of Corpus Christi, Texas, on January 23, 1988 wrote, “Actually I challenge that statement of the Brooklyn Chancery office because a properly conducted investigation has never taken place.  To verify this, let Fr. Dietzen try to get a transcript of the so-called investigation to discover why the statements of Mrs. Lueken should be condemned.” (Such a transcript does not exist, as the seer, the witnesses, the cures, the conversions, and the miraculous phenomena remain unexamined). 

     As we have shown above, a thorough, judicial and ecclesiastical investigation of the Bayside apparitions has never been conducted.  The words of Our Lady sum up the situation very clearly: 

“Learn a simply lesson, My child. You will meet with rejection by many for by rejecting My Message they can place it as far from mind as possible. When one does not wish to accept a truth they try to disprove and sully this truth.” - July 25, 1975


The Bishop of Brooklyn will receive a sign

     But Our Lady has also said that the Bishop of Brooklyn will receive a sign, and then he will believe: 

“One day, My child, the waters will come up at Bayside, and I will appear over the old church building.  Your Bishop then cannot deny My appearances.”- Our Lady, May 17, 1986

                                        Our Lady’s workers


"You will find that many will be placed upon the cross as victims for their Faith. All who follow My Son will carry a very heavy cross. The time of the persecution is now accelerating. Prepare yourselves; retire from your world, which has been given to satan. Guard the Faith in your home, in the hearts of those you love.” – Our Lady of the Roses, April 6, 1974 

"My child and My children, My heart is very sad that I must bring you this urgent but final Message from Heaven. The Eternal Father has sent Me as a Mediatrix from God to man all about your world, the earth, crying out warnings from Heaven to mankind, warnings that only a few have heeded. And now the hour is approaching, the hour of darkness and sadness. Many parents shall have tears of anguish brought into their homes by the coming events.
     "My children, please, as your Mother I ask you in all charity to go forward and warn your brothers and sisters to prepare for great persecution. There will be many catastrophes now befalling your earth until the great Warning, and then the final Chastisement. O My children, will you not listen to Me!” – Our Lady, November 20, 1978

"My dear parents, please! Listen to your Mother. Listen to what I have to say to you, for I tell you the truth. The Eternal Father sees all, and makes us knowledgeable as to what is happening upon earth that will bring its eventual destruction. Your children are being educated in the schools to take all Christianity from their lives, and believe not in the supernatural things of God, but the diabolical processes of satan, in cults.” - Our Lady, June 18, 1987

"There is an octopus, a web of evil now fanning out throughout your world. Political powers, money powers--these have all gathered to bring about the destruction of Christianity. My children, the Luciferians are loose now in great numbers upon your earth. They will work through persons, places, and things. Remember this, My children: persons, places, and things." - Our Lady, June 18, 1978

"My child and My children, prayer has not become a way of life for many. That is why communism has got such a foothold in your country and in other countries of the world. The prayers given to you in your childhood will be remembered always, I know, My children; but there are those who have not received these prayers in their schools, for prayer has been outlawed in many areas of your country and the world. It took but a few without faith to bring down the flag, for even your country's flag is being defiled, My children.” - Our Lady, October 2, 1987

"In many countries throughout your world it appears, My children--and I say, appears--that the communist country leaders are permitting religions within their rule. This is a sham, My children, a cover-up for the fact that it is state-controlled." - Our Lady, May 13, 1978

"I was honored by the Father in your years of twelve. My young years, My child, were spent in seclusion. I, too, was not without persecution when I carried on the apostleship of My Son.
     "You must never slacken or give in to your human weakness, for you will be given the strength to finish your mission.
     "It is sad to look into the future, My child, and know that already the enemies of your God are planning to dispose of a godly leader. The righteous man shall be met with much scorn and persecution. It is the sign of your times.” –
Our Lady, August 14, 1974 

"Yes, I tried to warn everyone of what was going to happen to the world of the future. Our Lady said that the little Father in Rome would suffer great persecution, but much of this persecution would come from his very own, those that he trusted. That is why the picture was given to you, to send the message throughout the world.
     "It is true that I gave a final message, but I, too, could not give the date--only to warn the world that a great Warning would come to mankind. It would be a great cataclysm Warning, and then there would be a great Miracle, and after that, if nothing changes and man continues to offend the Father, He would have to start this terrible, terrible trial. For there will be a great War and there will be a great, terrible Chastisement." –
St. Jacinta, June 8, 1974 

“Michael is the guardian of My Son's House. Michael will be entered into My Son's House, or your country will fall. The doors will shut. Persecution will reign in the House of My Son, and all that is rotten will fall.
     "Pray much, My child. Pray a constant vigilance of prayer, Rosaries of prayer throughout the world--link to link, bead to bead, soul to soul across your nation and the world. You are living now in the days of trial, and you will all be tested and receive your just reward from the Father."
– Our Lady, May 22, 1974 

"The persecution to all those who follow and defend My Son in truth, in the light, the persecution will be great. The masters of deceit, they are gathering like vultures to send into motion a conspiracy of evil that has been brought about because mankind has given himself to all manner of evil.
     "The time given by your prophets of old, the time of times is here. You will all, My children, wear your sacramentals in the battle, the days ahead. What was to happen in the future shall be now. Your world will be baptized by fire. Many will die in the great flame of the Ball of Redemption.” –
Our Lady, May 26, 1976 

"We know the trial ahead for all who seek to bring the truth to mankind for My Mother. Many shall reject Her message, and many of Our children of the light will receive great persecution as they seek to bring the Message from Heaven to their brothers and sisters.
     "There will be many thorns among the roses, but at the end of your road, My children, there is a special crown waiting for you." –
Jesus, June 5, 1975 

"Awaken now from your slumber and seek your return from your course of destruction by getting down upon your knees and praying in heartfelt, sincere prayer to the Eternal Father, to guide you back from your present road of destruction.
     "Your countrymen have sought to silence the voice of My Mother throughout your world. You will not continue to silence the voice-boxes throughout the world, for you are sowing the seeds of your own destruction!
     "Amen, amen, I say to you: unless mankind returns God the Eternal Father to his life, he will not have the years of two hands to count upon!
     "The present generation, My child, shall pass through this crucible of suffering. Many great saints shall rise from this persecution.” –
Jesus, June 5, 1975 

"As it was in the time of Noe, as it was in the days of Sodom and Gomorrha, so shall it be upon your earth. Man shall be permitted to fall fast into the abyss. Why? Because he has hardened his heart and closed his ears to the truth. He has given himself to all manners of pleasures of the flesh. Sin has become a way of life in your country and in the countries throughout your earth.
     "The children of God, the candles upon earth, My child, shall suffer much persecution from the agents of darkness.” –
Jesus, December 31, 1975 

“You must expect, My child, to receive great persecution.  Graces are given in abundance, but they are for the asking. You cannot bestow graces upon a closed heart.” –
Our Lady, February 1, 1975 

"The forces of evil will not slacken in their fight against you, My child. You must expect much persecution, for the agents of darkness are set with hardened hearts. And the light--My child, it is difficult to pierce with the light the hearts that are hardened.
     "Your major weapon will be prayers and penance. Many can only be retrieved, My child, by prayers and sacrifice.” –
Jesus, June 18, 1975 

"I have prepared you in the past, My child, for much persecution. I have not directed you falsely. All who follow My Son will carry a heavy cross. It is through suffering that you will gain a measure of perfection.
     "Every moment of your life is not wasted if you will learn a lesson, a very simple lesson, on the road to sanctity. You will use every moment of your life and give up your hardships as a sacrifice, as a penance for your soul or the salvation of other souls. Think, My child, throughout the hours of your day, how many graces you may accumulate for the waiting souls in purgatory, especially those who have been abandoned by their loved ones, forgotten. For when you are out of sight, you are slowly out of mind.” –
Our Lady, September 28, 1974  

"Before this battle is over, many who remain to stand forth to protect the honor of My Son will be subjected to torments from their own. Many martyrs will enter into the Kingdom. The persecution within the House of God will be heavy. The agents of hell seek to destroy My Son's House on earth. Many of the dedicated will grow weak and fall in with the plan of satan, preferring to accept a life without suffering on earth, refusing and casting from their minds the reality of the eternal life of the Kingdom.” –
Our Lady, February 1, 1973 

"Many manifestations, My child, will be given for the edification of mankind. My Son, in the Father, has chosen this manner to go throughout your world and find many seers to bring the message of your salvation. These seers, My child, have met with much persecution and rejection. It is only because the world rejects the Message from Heaven, for you bring the message of the spirit.
     "Your world, your country is in a cesspool of immorality! Your children--unless you parents will accept your role as parents and bring your children with discipline back to My Son, there will be much gnashing of teeth and weeping, but too late, too late, My children!” –
Our Lady, December 6, 1974 

“As your country and the world progresses into deeper darkness, all who stand for and acknowledge My Son will meet with much persecution.” –
Our Lady, July 25, 1974 

"You must expect, My children, much opposition and persecution. Were you of the world of materialistic man, they would accept you as one of their own. But We, My children, accept you as one of Us. You are born of the Spirit.
     "What does it gain a man, My children, if he gains the whole world and suffers the loss of his soul? The Kingdom of Heaven will be forever closed to him. An eternity of damnation in hell, or many years of purgatory await him. You cannot bargain with man and your God!” –
Our Lady, December 31, 1974 

"My children, awaken from your slumber. Shall those to be counted, saved, shall they be only in the few? My children, that will be your decision. I repeat: while the world cries peace, peace, love and brotherhood, they sow hate and destruction! The words that come out of the mouth do not come from the heart! Words of destruction! The Eternal Father, He looks into your heart. No man can set himself to judge another, but you cannot hide your heart from the Eternal Father.
     "My children, as the short time left goes on, you will find a complete withdrawal from sanctity in your world. Man will give himself to pleasures of the flesh; sin shall be a way of life, and the good shall be persecuted. But you must remember in this persecution: persevere and you will be saved!” –
Jesus, February 10, 1977 

"All who continue in the battle ahead must accept martyrdom. It does not, My child, necessarily mean death of your body, but it will mean persecution.
     "Stand fast in the Faith. Keep the Faith in the hearts of those you love. Extend your charity of heart to all of your brothers and sisters throughout the world. Pray a constant vigilance of prayer.” –
Our Lady, October 2, 1974 

"Many shall go forward in the days ahead suffering persecution for My sake. I say unto you, My children: you will follow My path as the dragon covers your earth. The dragon, My children, is the beast of power, the powers that now form 666 upon your earth. You will learn to recognize the faces and forces of evil about you.
     "Listen well, My children, to the counsel of My Mother. Do not get itching ears, for you will be given doctrines of demons. Do not seek false shepherds. Flee from them for your own salvation and the salvation of your family's souls.” –
Jesus, June 18, 1977 

"My children, I have promised to guide you in the days ahead. I cannot promise you a life of ease, wealth of material value. I can only bring you the reality of what will be. Your country will go through great trial. All who will stand forth in defense of My Son shall receive great persecution.
     "The powers that have now grown beyond all expectations, the evil powers of darkness, have control now, My child.
     "Many prayers of atonement have risen to Heaven from the hearts of Our beloved children upon earth. However, the scale is balanced heavily to the left.” –
Our Lady, August 21, 1974 

"Awaken from your slumber, clergy in My Son's Church, for you will also be counted among the least. In pride and arrogance you have refused My counsel from Heaven. You have turned away from Me. You have persecuted those I have sent to you. Your pride and arrogance shall make you fall. Many mitres shall fall into hell. Is this what you want?
     "For ears that hear, for those who hear My counsel, learn by it, for the time is growing short. There will be many victim souls in these latter days, My child and My children. Persecution shall be great among the children of God, for the world will claim its own. And if you are not of this world, the earth, you will not be recognized. For the world you must live in is beyond the realm of human mankind. It is the world of the spirit, which all must enter sooner or later.” –
Our Lady, June 18, 1981 

"My children, pray constantly. The prayers do not have to be--come from a book, but you will pray from your hearts. Lift up your hearts in belief. Believe and you will be given the way. I bless you all, My children, and I send you the grace of perseverance in the face of adversity and persecution. My children, pray constantly. I cannot counsel you enough, for prayer is one of the greatest parts of your armor." –
Our Lady, December 7, 1978 

"You will find that many will be placed upon the cross as victims for their Faith. All who follow My Son will carry a very heavy cross. The time of the persecution is now accelerating. Prepare yourselves; retire from your world, which has been given to satan. Guard the Faith in your home, in the hearts of those you love.” –
Our Lady, April 6, 1974 

"One day, My children, I assure you, each and every one of you will understand what My Mother has said to you and what I have brought to you as you listen to the directions from Heaven. One day when you all have passed over the veil, when you all have met with Me up in the heavens, you'll know and understand that the directions given to you from Heaven were for your edification and to prepare you. And think, My children, of all the great joy of heart when you realize that all of the sorrow, all of the persecution, was as nothing in comparison to the great joys of Paradise." –
Jesus, November 22, 1976 

"Those poor souls, My children, who are in deep darkness have rejected My message. Pray for them. Keep a constant vigilance of prayer, for your prayers can remove their blindness of spirit.
     "You, My child, will meet with great persecution. Were it not so, I would tell you thus. Know that as you are successful in the recovery of souls, the legions of hell will descend to fight you.” –
Our Lady, December 28, 1974 

"Count not upon the frailties of human relationship, because they die and wither away. Whereas My Mother, in Her Immaculate Heart, will always be there to counsel you, to guide you; because no purer a love has ever been given to mankind than expressed when She submitted to My persecution upon earth, and saw that I was to leave. Knowing the will of the Father, She accepted this, and in that way became truly the Mother of the world.” –
Our Lady, May 30, 1981 

"Now, My child, you have been much concerned about My appearance in another country, Egypt. Yes, My child, you do not understand all. Saint Demyana is a Coptic Orthodox Church, My child, and I must say: though My heart grieves because they are not with Rome at this time, they will join in the future. But at this time the only thing that eases My heart is the knowledge that they have kept the Faith as they know it. In that Church, My child, the Coptics--which are few in Egypt--they are devout. They do not rush through the service of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, where My Son daily gives Himself to you. They are few in number but devout.
     "I must tell you, My child and My children, that they have suffered persecution throughout the years. I came there this time, My child, to try to draw together those about them who seek to persecute them: the Moslems, and others, the Arabs. This is going on throughout the world.” –
Our Lady, May 17, 1986 

"My child and My children, as it was in the past, so it shall be. There are many now foul deeds being committed upon the earth that cry to Heaven for retribution. The leaders of your country have lost their way, My child and My children. They are now making sin a way of life.
     "In My past, My own experiences, My child and My children, I went through great sorrow, and saw this persecution set upon My Son by the world. Now He is made to suffer anew, and I join Him on His new cross.
     "Yes, My child and My children, mankind is recrucifying My Son. They have forgotten; they have lost their way.” –
Our Lady, October 6, 1992   

"Saint Michael was, is, and always will be the guardian of the Faith in My Son's Church upon earth. You must now bring him back, in sight and in sound and in prayer. For as he remains outside the portals, the portals shall crumble, the doors shall close, persecution shall abound upon your earth.
            "For sin is always a forerunner for war, My children: murders, persecutions, robberies, all manners of sins of the flesh, homosexuality, lesbianism, perversion, sodomy. Sodom and Gomorrha fell for less sins than you have committed now upon your earth. Noe took to the ark and the world was in a better state spiritually than your world now; for you have accepted a sophisticated manner of sin, based on man's reasoning and not God's truth.
            "Truth, you must understand, is the guiding light; and the Truth is My Son, in the Eternal Father and the Spirit of light. You accept false gods that satisfy your fleshly desires. Pleasures of the flesh have condemned many to hell.” –
Our Lady, October 2, 1979 

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