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ruling Pope: The Bayside message and Pope Francis"Peter was My first Pope and your first Pope, and as all others who followed him, they must be accepted. Be they weak or noble, be they with sanctity or unholiness, they must be accepted and followed." - Jesus, June 9, 1979
Our Lady
has warned us that the world and the Church are in such deep darkness, "The
only guide you will have now are the messages from Heaven, given through various
seers, and other miraculous manifestations from the Eternal Father to man." (Our
Lady, November 24, 1979)
Our Lady's guidance is a
rich legacy of truth, to help guide us in these very days of apostasy in the
Church.
Our Lady's counsel is perfect. To not avail ourselves of
Our Lady's guidance when we can do so, is a serious mistake. She is the greatest
of theologians, and Our Lady is never wrong by a special grace from God.
So
for the very important topic of who is the ruling Pope let's look to Our Lady,
who cannot deceive us. We agree with
Archbishop Vigano
that the apostasy under Pope Francis is unprecedented.
But our primary purpose in this article is to establish
whether Pope Francis is the ruling Pope. There is a lot of confusion on this
topic, even within traditional Catholic circles and among Bayside believers.
June 18, 1988 message: "the one
who comes after" Pope John Paul II
In
the
June 18, 1988
message Our Lady stated, "Please, My children, pray for your Holy Father, the
Pope. You must not lose him,
for the one who comes after him
will destroy if he can—he will attempt to destroy, I should say, My child and My
children; he will attempt to destroy Pope John Paul II."
This
is a very important clue Our Lady has left us. In the papal conclave after the
death of Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict was obviously elected the new Pope.
But who received the second highest number of votes?
Cardinal Jorge
Bergoglio (Pope Francis).
Our
Lady specified what "the one who comes after" would try to do: "he will attempt
to destroy Pope John Paul II." What does this mean? Perhaps it means seeking to
dismantle Pope John Paul II's legacy, and several areas immediately come to
mind: (1) Pope John Paul II's legacy against communism and liberation theology;
(2) his legacy of outstanding papal encyclicals on moral theology and religious
life (particularly
Veritatis Splendor,
Evangelium Vitae
and
Vita Consecrata);
and (3) John Paul II's Pontifical Academy for Life. According to
Christopher Ferrara,
Pope Francis “demolished John Paul II’s
The "one who comes after" would be a successor, a Pope.
We believe this is yet another Bayside prophecy fulfilled, in the person of Pope
Francis.
A Pope must be followed, even if
he is unholy
A Pope truly has authority, even if he is a great
sinner:
"Peter was My first Pope and your first Pope, and as all others who followed
him,
they must be accepted. Be they weak or noble, be they with sanctity or
unholiness, they must be accepted and followed."
(Jesus, June 9, 1979)
Now that doesn't mean we should not speak out against
errors, scandals or anything else that a Pope does to damage the Church and its
members. But it does mean that the Pope retains his authority even in the midst
of terribly regrettable statements and actions.
Pope Francis is not the antipope
predicted by Our Lady
But
Pope Francis is NOT the antipope that Our Lady prophesied, because
Pope Francis' coat of arms
does not contain the "half-moon sickle" that would be a sign for all of us to
recognize the antipope:
"You will all recognize the sign
of him who seeks to destroy. He will have on his coat of arms the sickle, the
half-moon sickle. You
will all make atonement for your bishops and cardinals." (Our Lady, October 6,
1972)
Before the Great Warning, the Pope will flee a
revolution in
Jesus told Veronica on September 14, 1976:
"My
child, you speculate much about the coming Warning. I have asked you many times
not to speculate on dates, but I give you one indication that the time is ripe.
When
you see, when you hear, when you feel the revolution in
This
message is important to our topic for several reasons. First of all, it
indicates that the
antipope of history
will arrive after the true Pope flees
Secondly, if the revolution in
What
if the Pope fleeing is Pope Francis? The September 14, 1976 message states,
"when you see the Holy Father fleeing". If the
If we rely only on our
opinions and limited knowledge, we are liable to start with a wrong premise, and
arrive at a wrong conclusion. So that's why Our Lady's words are such a great
gift. She cannot deceive us, and She has never led us astray.
We start with Our Lady's words to point us in the right
direction. So once Our Lady has pointed us in the right direction we can
recognize those gifted by God, whose conclusions seem to match what Our Lady at Bayside has told us.
The following are some of those individuals, whose
articles/videos we highly recommend.
Steve Skojec
Steve
Skojec thoroughly nukes the error circulating that Pope Francis is not the
ruling Pope. His explanation is, to me, the simplest and the clearest of all
explanations that I have come across on this topic. The following are excerpts
from his
podcast
discussing this issue:
"People didn't want to hear that Francis was bad when I first started saying it,
but it was true. Now, people don't want to hear that Benedict isn't the Pope,
but it's also true. And we know that because the Church is the only authority on
earth that can state unequivocally who the Pope is. And she has told us that
Francis is the Vicar of Christ. The cardinal electors were unanimous in their
acceptance of him." (watch
video clip)
Pope Benedict himself wrote that the Seat of Peter would
be vacant after his resignation and a conclave would have to elect a new Pope:
"He
[Pope Benedict] said in his abdication statement that the Seat would be vacant
and that a conclave would have to be called so that a new Pope could be
elected." (watch
video clip)
Pope Benedict wrote that speculation denying his
resignation was valid is "simply absurd":
"He
said, in a letter to
La Stampa, very
shortly after his abdication,
'There is absolutely no doubt about the validity of
my resignation from the Petrine ministry ... The only condition for the validity
of my resignation is the complete freedom of my decision. Speculations regarding
its authenticity are simply absurd.'" (watch
video clip;
read letter to La Stampa;
read also)
Bishop Schneider
Bishop
Athanasius Schneider has been a great
champion of truth and tradition in these confusing times. He had weighed in on
the issue of a heretical pope and his article may be one of the greatest ever
written on this topic. Below are a few excerpts from Bishop Schneider's article:
1) "However, they [popes] were
never deposed according to a canonical procedure, since that is impossible
because of the Divine structure of the Church. The
pope gets his authority directly from God and not from the Church; therefore,
the Church cannot depose him, for any reason whatsoever."
2) "The
theory or theological opinion that a heretical pope can be deposed or lose
office was alien to the first millennium." [in
the first 1,000 years of the Catholic Church, no one said this was even a
possibility]
3) "When by an inscrutable
permission of God, at a certain moment of History and in a very rare instance, a
pope spreads errors and heresies through his daily or ordinary non-infallible
Magisterium, Divine Providence awakens at the same time the witness of some
members of the episcopal college, and also of the faithful, in order to
compensate the temporal failures of the Papal Magisterium. One
has to say that such a situation is very rare, but not impossible, as Church
History has proven."
Eric Sammons
Eric Sammons'
article takes a deep dive on Doctor of the Church St. Robert Bellarmine's
discussion of a heretical pope in
De Romano Pontifice.
In case #3 listed by St. Robert Bellarmine (and also the patron saint of the
church where the miraculous Bayside spring and future Basilica to Our Lady of
the Roses is to be erected) is the scenario of a heretical pope that cannot be
deposed by any means whatsoever. He writes,
“it would be the most miserable
condition of the Church, if she should be compelled to recognize a wolf,
manifestly prowling, for a shepherd.”
"And
I think many Catholics would agree that today we are in a 'most miserable
condition.'
Yet I would challenge Bellarmine’s assumption that
God would not allow such a miserable condition.
"The entire Catholic faith is founded upon
suffering. Contrary to today’s Prosperity Gospel, which preaches that faith in
Christ will lead to riches and comfort, Catholicism takes seriously the words of
Our Lord: 'If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his
cross and follow me' (Mt. 16:24). Catholicism not only says that you can’t avoid
suffering as a disciple of Christ, but promises suffering, for this is the way
of the Master. The assumption that God wouldn’t allow His church to be in a
'most miserable condition' goes against the fundamental premise of the faith:
that the way of Christianity is the way of the Cross. God does not protect us
from suffering; He gives us the grace to endure it and even offer it up to Him."
"Peter was My first Pope and your first Pope, and as all others who followed
him,
they must be accepted. Be they weak or noble, be they with sanctity or
unholiness, they must be accepted and followed."
(Jesus, June 9, 1979)
Was this Bayside message given to us for this
very situation under Pope Francis?
Robert Ciscoe
On
reading
Robert Ciscoe's article,
I came upon this gem of a logic syllogism, which is the shortest
argument I've read that Pope Benedict's resignation was valid:
"Major:
Francis’s election was accepted by the entire Church [all the cardinals], which
provides infallible certitude that he became the Pope (infallible dogmatic
fact).
Minor:
A condition for Francis to have become Pope is that Benedict’s resignation was
valid.
Conclusion:
Since the entire Church accepted Francis as Pope, it is infallibly certain that
Benedict’s resignation was valid."
Michael Massey
Michael Massey
has provided this valuable distinction to "recognize and resist" versus "reject
and resist" for the faithful Catholic faced with this unprecedented situation
under Pope Francis:
"When
one is tempted to reject the pope and all the bishops of the Church due to the
heresy and scandal they constantly promote, remember the example of St.
Athanasius, who always fought to remain in communion even with the heretic Pope
Liberius.
When you
recognize and resist the pope, you are in
communion with St. Athanasius, but when you
reject and resist him,
you are in communion with Lucifer."
If Pope Benedict is still the RULING POPE:
1) Why didn't Pope Benedict object to the election of
another Pope? (Pope Benedict is incredibly brilliant and knows the Church
teaching and laws much better than most of us);
2) Why didn't the cardinals insist that Pope Benedict
was still the ruling Pope and proclaim to the world his resignation was unlawful, before the election
of Pope Francis?
3) Why did ALL THE CARDINALS recognize Pope Francis as
the new Pope? Only the
cardinals have the God-given authority to elect and identify the ruling Pope;
4) If Pope Benedict is still the ruling Pope, why is he
allowing Pope Francis to appoint new bishops and cardinals, something only the
ruling Pope has authority to do? If Pope Benedict is still the ruling Pope but
is on a "vacation" from his daily duties this neglect is objectively a mortal sin, for each and every
major papal duty he daily allows Pope Francis to perform.
5) If
Pope Benedict is still the RULING POPE, why did he write a letter to
La Stampa
stating,
"There is absolutely no doubt about the validity of
my resignation from the Petrine ministry ... The only condition for the validity
of my resignation is the complete freedom of my decision. Speculations regarding
its authenticity are simply absurd" (watch
video clip;
read letter to La Stampa)?
6) When Pope Benedict dies, is there to be another
conclave to elect a Pope? Ridiculous.
It never ceases to amaze me at the absurdities we can
come up with, and yet at the same time think we are absolutely right.
Third Secret was supposed to be
revealed in 1960
Sister
Lucy was once asked why Our Lady commanded the Third Secret to be released
in 1960 and she
replied,
"Because then it will seem clearer."
In 1960, Pope John XXIII called for Vatican II (1962-1965) and step by step a new orientation
was imposed on the Church. It is not without reason that Sister Lucy started
writing about a
"diabolical disorientation"
that she saw taking hold within the Church.
Massive changes swept over the entire Catholic Church. Did the Third Secret of Fatima allude to this new orientation
affecting the lives of every Catholic throughout the world?
It
would appear so because
Sister Lucy was silenced by the Vatican
around 1960, and had to have permission from the
Our Lady of
Remember, Our Lady of Fatima said the Third Secret was to be revealed to the
world no later than 1960. This has now been proven with a
photograph of the Third Secret envelope specifically
mentioning 1960. We know that Pope John
XXIII did read the Third Secret and it is reported that after reading it, Pope
John XXIII stated,
"this does not concern the years of my pontificate."
(The
Whole Truth About Fatima: The Third Secret,
Brother Michael of the Holy Trinity, Vol. III, p. 557) We know that 1972 was
mentioned in the Third Secret and perhaps even mentioned Pope Paul VI by name
(just as Our Lady of Fatima mentioned Pius XI by name), which could explain
why Pope John XXIII said after reading the Third Secret, "this does not concern
the years of my pontificate." Pope John XXIII died in 1963, so he was correct in
believing that the year 1972 did not concern his pontificate.
Pope Paul VI was the Pope
mentioned in the REAL Third Secret of
Our
Lady at Bayside has warned that the real Third Secret of Fatima was suppressed
and that it was about satan entering the highest realms of the Catholic
hierarchy in
"How I warned and warned
that satan would enter into the highest realms of the hierarchy in
Our
Lady also explained that
Pope Paul VI was the "poor little one", the Pope that
Jacinta saw in her Third Secret vision.
Our Lady warned that satan took over the papacy of Pope Paul VI and
continues control of the
"Satan, Lucifer in human
form, entered into
"And I tell you
now, My children, unless you pray and make My counsel known to all of the ruling
fathers of the Eternal City of Rome, My Son's Church, His House, will be forced
into the catacombs. A great struggle lies ahead for mankind. The eventual
outcome is for good of all, for this trial in My Son's Church will be a true
proving ground for all the faithful. Many latter-day saints shall rise out of
the tribulation." (Our Lady, September 7, 1978)
Furthermore, we know that
Jacinta of Fatima, on her deathbed, told Mother
Godinho the Third Secret so she could pass
it on to the Pope. But
Mother Godinho's letter to Pope Pius XII,
due to personal ambition, did not faithfully relay the Third Secret to the Pope.
What is significant, though, is the mention of 1972 (an authentic part of the
real Third Secret).
The Shrine workers specifically asked Veronica Lueken in
what year satan entered the Church, and Veronica told us it was in 1972 and that
she could not say any more because it dealt with the Third Secret of Fatima.
Pope
Paul VI was the reigning Pope in 1972. The
Pope Paul VI was truly the Pope of the Third Secret (watch video). He was even replaced by an surgically altered impostor to accelerate the changes and destruction within the Church. A Swiss exorcism confirmed the truth of this revelation. We know, for many reasons, that Pope Paul VI is the Pope mentioned in the Third Secret.
Was the real Third Secret stolen
in 1969, and replaced with a forgery?
Pope
John XXIII, the reigning Pope in 1960, disobeyed Our Lady of Fatima and did not
reveal it.
By disobeying God's will, Pope John XXIII
opened the door further for the enemies of the Church to delay and thwart the
release of the Third Secret of
The
burglar probably also inserted the false version of the "third secret" at the
same time, which the
Had
the Third Secret of Fatima been revealed to the world
in
1960, as was God's will, the suppression
of the real Third Secret and its replacement with a forgery could not have
happened.
And
this is a probable explanation of how Pope John Paul II had been deceived into
accepting what was released on June 26, 2000 as authentic. With
a lying
"Sister Lucy" impostor (read
more; watch video) to sign off on the fake version of the Third Secret and convince John
Paul II of its authenticity, the bait and switch was complete. The satanic deception and control within the
TLDM proves that the Vatican's
June 26, 2000 'third secret' is a forgery
TLDM
has proven that the
Vatican's version of the "third secret" released on
June 26, 2000 is a forgery. The
handwriting in this suspicious document is totally different from Sister
Lucy's authentic handwriting on the
envelope enclosing the Third Secret
(but the envelope matches 62 years of Sister Lucy's known handwriting).
There
is no argument with a fact. The handwriting on the Third Secret envelope and
what the
Also,
the phony "third secret" released on June 26, 2000 contradicts the
time-sensitive nature of the REAL Third Secret, as proven by Pope John XXIII
statement,
"this does not concern the years of my pontificate."
Additionally, it does not contain the
first line of the authentic Third Secret which is,
"In
"'In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved'. This sentence in all clarity implies the critical state of the faith which will befall other nations. That is to say that there will be a crisis of faith, while Portugal will save its faith". "Therefore", Father Alonso asserts, "in the period which precedes the great Triumph of the Heart of Mary, the terrible things which are the object of the third part of the Secret, will occur. Which ones? If, 'In Portugal, the dogmas of faith will always be preserved,' one can deduce from it with perfect clarity that in other parts of the Church these dogmas either are going to become obscure or else even be lost." Thus it is quite possible that in this ...period which is in question, ...the text makes concrete reference to the negligence of the pastors themselves.... One conclusion does indeed seem to be beyond question: the content of the unpublished part of the Secret does not refer to new wars or political upheavals, but to happenings of a religious and intra-Church character, which of their nature are still more grave."(The Secret of Fatima, pp. 80-81)
The June 26, 2000 document does not
explain why the
Furthermore, the June 26, 2000 document is a vision, not the words of Our Lady
of Fatima. But we know this is false.
The Third Secret was the words of Our Lady of Fatima,
not a vision.
In
Sister Lucy's Memoirs she records two of Jacinta’s visions that refer to the
Third Secret, the words that the three shepherd children heard on July 13, 1917.
After one of these visions, Jacinta asks Lucy,
“Is he the
one I saw weeping, the one Our Lady told us
about in the Secret?"
Here, it is important to pay close attention: If the Third Secret had been a
vision, wouldn’t Jacinta have rather said, “the one Our Lady
showed us in
the Secret?"
But this is not the case. Jacinta clearly said
“told us” which means words, not a vision. Had the Third Secret been only a
vision, Jacinta would have said “showed us”, referring to a vision.
Again, the
Pope of the Third Secret who Jacinta saw weeping is
Pope Paul VI.
Did you know there is a
demonstrable lie in the
In
the
"By express order of Our
Lady, this envelope can only be opened in 1960 by the Cardinal Patriarch of
Of
course, the
1960 release date
is what the Fatima experts had proclaimed for years, and it was the
That
such great crimes should be committed by the
Our Lady has
warned the Vatican,
the cardinals,
the bishops, and the
Catholic laity in every possible way. If
mankind will not accept the solution to the current crisis (repentance,
obedience to God's will and Our Lady's counsel), then we must accept the
terrible consequences. After a merciful
Great Warning and Miracle, without
conversion the world will receive a two-part global Chastisement: The
Third World War and the
Ball of Redemption.
Without humility,
it is difficult to find the truth. I remember the
great Fr. John Hardon, who many years ago stumbled over Our Lady of the Roses
condemnation of Communion in the hand. Fr. Hardon questioned how the practice could
be considered wrong if Pope John Paul II was allowing it (even though at the
beginning of his pontificate he personally would never distribute Communion in
the hand). Years later, Fr. Hardon modified his position on Communion in the
hand and stated on
November 1, 1997:
"Behind Communion in the hand—I
wish to repeat and make as plain as I can—is a weakening, a conscious,
deliberate weakening of faith in the Real Presence…. Whatever you can do to stop
Communion in the hand will be blessed by God.”
Our Lady of the Roses is never wrong; She is in a class
by Herself. The rest of us have difficulty hitting the target of truth with our
judgments. We may have a lot of ammunition, information in our brains, but we
don't always hit the target of truth in our judgments. Sometimes we are like
crazy men shooting any which way, and injuring others spiritually by our false opinions that
we spread around so carelessly.
Opinions are a dime a dozen. And just because some say
Pope Francis is not the Pope, does not make it true.
This
reminds me of a quote about a group of heretical Jansenist nuns, that they
were "pure as angels, but proud as devils." Their arrogance and lack of charity
brought them into heresy. Without humility, we cannot for long keep the grace of God
in our souls. As Our Lady said on
December 24, 1976,
"it is only the simple of heart, the
little ones, who shall receive the light."
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VIDEO: Steve Skojec - Why
Francis is the ruling Pope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrDUIPfQnWc
Who is the real Pope? (Steve Skojec)
https://onepeterfive.com/1p5-minute-ep-11-who-is-the-real-pope/
Bishop Schneider: On the
question of a heretical Pope
https://onepeterfive.com/bishop-athanasisus-schneider-on-the-question-of-a-heretical-pope/
If Benedict Is Still Pope, the Papacy Dies with Him
https://onepeterfive.com/benedict-papacy-dies/
Bishop Schneider releases essay ‘on the question of the true Pope’
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/bishop-schneider-releases-essay-on-the-question-of-the-true-pope
In New Book, Benedict XVI Confirms His Resignation, But Clings to
Confusing Theology
https://onepeterfive.com/in-new-book-benedict-xvi-confirms-his-resignation-but-clings-to-confusing-theology/
POPE FRANCIS: Pope or Antipope? Schismatic and Heretic? (Toronto Catholic
Witness)
https://torontocatholicwitness.blogspot.com/2020/01/pope-francis-pope-or-antipope.html
Eric Sammons: Is Francis the
Pope?
https://onepeterfive.com/is-francis-the-pope/
Robert Siscoe: Why Francis is
Pope
https://onepeterfive.com/objection-answer-francis-pope/
Michael Massey: Sedevacantism is
Modern Luciferianism
https://onepeterfive.com/sedevacantism-luciferianism/
Fr. Alonso, official achivist
of Fatima: The REAL Third Secret of Fatima warned of apostasy in the Church
http://www.tldm.org/news7/ThirdSecretFatherAlonso.htm
Third Secret tells of a spiritual chastisement: loss
of faith, faltering and punishment of the pastors, diabolical disorientation
http://www.tldm.org/News10/ThirdSecretSpiritualChastisement.htm
Cardinal Oddi on the REAL Third Secret of Fatima: "The
Blessed Virgin was alerting us against the apostasy in the Church"
http://www.tldm.org/news7/ThirdSecretCardinalOddi.htm
Cardinal Oddi's hypothesis on the REAL Third Secret:
"Let me advance a hypothesis: that the Third Secret of Fatima pre-announces
something terrible the Church has done"
http://www.tldm.org/News10/CardinalOddiThirdSecretHypothesis.htm
Sister Lucy talked about the "diabolical
disorientation" in the Church as 1972 approached
http://www.tldm.org/news5/1972.htm
Why Pope Paul VI is the Pope mentioned in the
REAL Third Secret
https://www.tldm.org/news41/why-pope-paul-vi-is-the-pope-mentioned-in-the-real-third-secret.htm
The "deception of the century"
https://www.tldm.org/news3/impostor.htm
Warnings from Beyond: A Swiss exorcism
reveals existence of an impostor to Pope Paul VI
https://www.tldm.org/News4/WarningsFromBeyond.2of3.htm
Third Secret was to be revealed no later than
1960, "because the Blessed Virgin wishes it so"
http://www.tldm.org/news/in_1960.htm
Evidence of a fabrication: Sister
Lucy's handwriting notably different in document released by Vatican as the
"third secret"
http://www.tldm.org/news/lucys_writing.htm
Evidence of a fabrication:
World-famous forensic expert believes Vatican's released "third secret" is not
in Sister Lucy's authentic handwriting
http://www.tldm.org/news/speckin-p2.htm
Evidence of a fabrication: The REAL
Third Secret of Fatima specifically mentioned the year 1972, as Jacinta revealed
to Mother Godinho
http://www.tldm.org/news/StTheresa3rdSecret.htm
More evidence of a fabrication: Jacinta's vision of the Holy Father, "the poor
little one," was Pope Paul VI
http://www.tldm.org/news/vision_of_jacinta.htm
The Murder of Pope John Paul I
https://www.tldm.org/news3/johnpauli.htm
The strange death of a Pope: “John Paul I was
assassinated”
https://www.tldm.org/news11/johnpauliassassinated.htm
Many are called and few are chosen (book review of
Se Pedirá Cuenta)
https://www.tldm.org/news11/sepedir%C3%A1cuentareview.htm